First of all the irony of it is that we’re ending up with more and more dysfunctional children, higher and higher mortality rates. Twenty other nations are way ahead of us in actual death of mothers and infants and the 600 percent higher rate of hospital deaths than in natural home births and so on. So it’s extremely ironic and paradoxical that the more we attempt to predict and control, the greater the casualty rate. And no one will pay any attention to that because by now the woman is terrified of all the consequences that can happen outside the medical umbrella.

Interference of the mother and her own infant starts practically from conception. For one thing, even the abortion issue, which certainly is a nasty issue all the way around, but there the real issue is the woman’s right to play the role of the mother, the mother’s right to make decisions concerning the reproductive process which she has done throughout human history, and we started interfering with that right from the very beginning. That she is no longer, that’s to be taken out of her hands and put into the hands of a group of experts or legalistic processes. So, from the very beginning the capacity for mothering is cripples right from the beginning. 

The next thing is our interferences that run throughout the uterine experience itself. We are turning our women more and more over to what we call prenatal care and all the great concerns over prenatal care and all sorts of interference devices, our ultrasound, attempts to, actually they’re now you know taking infants out of the womb and making operations and putting them back in. Now they’re doing this on experimental levels and so on, in the attempt to predict and control every tiny facet of the birth process. Women are being interfered with by being frightened and terrified by a whole raft of supposed disasters which can befall them unless they go through all these medical processes, unless they got all these prenatal testing they might come up with a child who is this or that or the other and in the process of this, of course, you set up a whole raft of interventions. These are interventions in the natural system. Now people don’t realize the overall effect of this.

M:        What does it do to the, I’m going to say her confidence, her innate feeling of being able to be in love? How does this interfere with her own self-perception impact her ability to be a mother?

J:          Of course she begins to feel that only the professional here is capable of handling this infant.  It’s obviously complete and out of her hands. But far more is playing on this fear of abnormality or an irregularity, there’s something going wrong with the birth process and so on and leading to 30% cesarean sections and so on.

First of all the irony of it is that we’re ending up with more and more dysfunctional children, higher and higher mortality rates. Twenty other nations are way ahead of us in actual death of mothers and infants and the 600 percent higher rate of hospital deaths than in natural home births and so on. So it’s extremely ironic and paradoxical that the more we attempt to predict and control, the greater the casualty rate. And no one will pay any attention to that because by now the woman is terrified of all the consequences that can happen outside the medical umbrella. So I’m saying, in the very uterine stage of the game, the interventions, whether they be conceptual, actual physical interventions, or what they might be, are already playing a deadly role. And then of course, that all leads up to the woman’s willingness to subject herself to the monstrous mutilations that have gone on in hospitals for fifty years at the birth practice itself. 

M:        Monstrous mutilations, can you help me justify that?

J:          Well there again you’re talking about a massive amount of research that’s been done over a long period of time. Again the interventions, the use of all sorts of monitoring devices, the use of obstetrical drugs, the fact that the majority of women are induced into labor, and it’s looked upon by the whole medical profession as a magnificent and great achievement. The induction of labor which of course will stop any time there’s an intervention. Nature’s natural rhythm is to stop all labor process, stop the whole birth process, if there’s any intervention because that’s threatening to the ancient structures that handle all this.  And so with all these interventions then the whole character and nature of birth is dramatically changed and require then further intervention. The first intervention requires more intervention. The solution that we achieve creating far more problems in each case and it cascades into a proliferation of intervention processes. So the finally, every natural bonding structure between the mother and infant is broken. There are specific mutilations that go on, that have gone on for a long time and only by people like me and a lot of others hollering have there been some minor changes in the past few years, causing the medical establishment to slightly alter its approach to protect it financial investment. They are making some concessions but not many.

M.        There seems to be a general impression that the system is responding, the new birthing rooms and centers.

J.          The disasters of this have been remarkable. Here we have these children who have been engineered and the whole birth process is organized around the convenience of the doctor and the hospital staff, and so on. But then, they whisk that little infant out, they will chop the umbilical cord. They put it on the mothers belly for a minute, then up to the mother for a few moments of hugging, everyone was bonded, the father was there, then they wisk it off. This is the equivalent of agreeing quickly with your advisory on the part of the medical profession. So there is this token gestor and everyone is relieved, bonding has taken place. Of course this is a travesty of major proportions. No bonding has taken place.